They do not see what lies ahead when Sun has failed and Moon is dead

I was watching this funny reaction video of a couple of girls that are very much fans of The Hobbit movies. They're very funny and seem to be having a good time. At the end of the clip when they've calmed a bit, they use a Gollum toy/statue that quotes the character from the Lord of the Rings movies.

Now I guess one could question as to wether a character such as Gollum is a guy to take any advice from...

on the other hand, commercials aren't that much better with their white lies and black lies...
...but still one can observe them.


That line "They do not see what lies ahead when Sun has failed and Moon is dead", it reminds me of my own attempts to see the alternative for my letting go of any attachements.

In order to stop hanging on to something you have to have something to move on to, so that you let go of something for something better, an improvement.

From Datre 164:
http://datretranscripts.blogspot.com/2009/07/datre164.html

..."Now, we have talked about 'belief' systems we have talked about 'ego' systems, lets go a little further. You take a 'belief' system and you "want to get rid of it", what are you going to replace it with? You can't leave a hole. The brain will be very disturbed, because something has been gotten rid of, so to speak. And it will continue to pop up every once in a while. And you'll say, 'I thought I got rid of that'. And bingo, here it comes again.

Now, analyze a 'belief' system. You'll say, 'that is something I'd prefer not having, so I will replace it with something else'. So, think of what you will replace it with. Then you'll say, 'well what can that be?'. It is up to you to discover what you are comfortable with. But don't leave an open hole.

Its like a man out in the back yard digging a hole. And a fellow says, 'what are you going to put in there?' and he says, 'I don't know'. But you don't walk away and leave a hole in the ground, you put something in it, or you put all the dirt back in it again. Then if you don't put anything in it, with the wind and the rain and all this, the dirt will go back in by itself. Then every time you come up against it, here's this hunk of dirt again. It will bother you, because you've got a hole there. The brain is a 'worry-wart' - it will rut. You've heard of a rutting brain, it keeps bring up the same thing over and over and over and over. And you'll say, 'I don't want to think about that any more, I'm not getting any place, I keep worrying about this same thing, a dog chasing its tail, around and around and around'. Well, if you don't put something in its place what's going to stop it from going around?"...



The problem, or I guess Datre would say challenge, of letting go of attachements in this world, is that we don't really see the better alternative. What is going to replace the happiness of the attachement without it there? How can we be happy in not needing the world?

One can allways listen to wise men and women, but how are you to be convinced that this is worth the effort?


I guess this is why Datre says that to be a Master you have to be bold, to go into the unknown.
A little bit like Bilbo the hobbit did perhaps, when he stepped out of his comfy hobbit-home?

From Datre 094:
http://datretranscripts.blogspot.com/2009/07/datre094.html


..."We've said many times, "you are alone". And that is scary to many people, they're frightened of that, because when you come into the world, you're nurtured, you’re cuddled, you're taken care of. There are people that all through their lives they have been nurtured and cuddled and taken care of, by family, by friends, by husbands, by wives and all through their lives there has been somebody there to take care of them. What have they learned? They have not learned a great deal because they have not been "bold" enough to be alone.

Becoming a MASTER is being "bold". You have to be "bold" to be a MASTER, because you are going to look at things from an entirely different standpoint. You are not going to "react" to situations like MASS CONSCIOUSNESS does and this will set you apart, you will be different. But, it is "your" evolution and no one else's and this is very important."...




Well this "old" song came out of the radio again -

My own Shiva stone - in polystyrene!

Today I went to my local gym, like I do every now and then, to work out. Even though I'm probably not going to be a bodybuilder, I do feel good after a bit of exercise.

There's a funny story about Robert Adams that he met with a bodybuilder who proudly showed off his big muscles to Robert, and Robert said 'Great, you'll be the healthiest corpse in the cemetary'. So much for that worldly occupation I guess.

However, I usually stretch out after the exercising is done, there's a little corner of the gym where you can do that.
And there it was, my own Shiva stone, leaning slightly up against the wall like the most natural thing in the world. Made of polystyrene.

I noticed it immediately as such because I had seen the actual one in the documentary about Ramana Maharsi at about 1 hour, 5minutes, 10 seconds into the video, in the last post I made here.
That is of course an actual stone, black, standing over Ramanas tomb.

Mine wasn't a stone, but it had the same shape and it was black, and it looked like it was the same size, at least from my point of view. And I have no idea what it was used for. Why was it standing there? Was it an exercise equipment? Why against the wall? Had someone left it behind? No idea. I could probably have figured it out by asking someone, but it wasn't necessary, because the main message was received as far as I was concerned.

On one level it could be Ramana sending me a message in a funny way, as I was stretching out I thought about what how Ramana walked to his holy mountain every day, Arunachula. That would be his exercise it seems.

But the actual credit goes to Self, You create your own reality, whatever you focus on.

It would have been interesting to ask Datre if one could manipulate what kind of people one would meet during the day, simply by putting on a certain fashion or outlook. Or clothes with specific images.

I.e. if you wore a t-shirt with the heart-sutra on, the people you would meet who would notice that, would have to have it in their minds one way or the other. Perhaps they would be buddhists, but they could also be hostile to buddhism. Or they might not notice the writing in the first place.


So yes, I see a Shiva stone in a video, and 3 days later I see a very resembling object at my local gym, which is not specifically spiritual or religious in any way. If it was a Yoga center it might have been less mystical.


Shiva is suppose to be the greatest of the Hindu gods, the destroyer of ego and the world. Since I don't know anything else than the Self that can destroy the ego and make the world go away, I guess Shiva is a reference to Self.

In the book "Who Am I" where Ramana is answering questions, he mentiones Siva (God), and I don't know if that is the same as Shiva. but it would make sense.


But yes this is an observation, one of the funny ones from my perspective, it takes you by surprise when it happens, and it doesn't have to have any fireworks going off when you see it, just calmly quietly it's there. Except if the actual observation include fireworks and loud sound that is.


It reminds me of something similar that happened to me after watching some television program with interviews of psychics - they said dead people would send birds to the people left behind in the live zone.

Some time after seeing that program I had birds waking me up in the morning, flying into my bedroom through my open window, it is usually open. Some of them were panicking to get out, others just took a break between the battles with the glass window, one of them hovered above my head looking down at me while I was lying there half awake wondering what all the noise was about.

I can take a guess who would be sending me these little birds who flew into my bedroom for awhile.

But again the actual credit goes to Self, whatever you experience is your own creation.

Nowadays I'm more often woken up by wasps, that are very interested in getting through the window opening while the sun is shining on my bedroom wall. Just one at a time.
I can probably guess what it means, though that one isn't so obvious.
Either way I've come to see that wasps have different personalities, some will be very eager in moving about and trying to get out, not understanding how they got in, while others will much more calmly explore the environment that they have gotten into. Almost like a scientist making notes, a wasp anthropologist taking a look at the human world. Those ones are much more aware of where the exit is though, and will quickly head for the window if they feel that someone is trying to show them the way out.


I was thinking of putting a picture of Shiva in this post, but that sort of doesn't fit if Shiva is a reference the the actual Self, the YOU that you are. Because that is unlimited, so how can it be described?
Pictures can only describe limitation.
I guess that's why pictures, or icons were forbidden in orthodox religions, perhaps a link to an actual understanding who God was, - unlimited, undescribable, No-thing, nothing of this world.
The true "I Am".


I could have taken a picture the polystyrene "Shiva stone" though, but didn't really have a camera with me at that time.


In case Ramana Maharsi had anything to do with my local shiva stone, I thank you for your gesture. :-)

But most of all I thank my Self, for any clues and hints I get, the experience is gently and perfectly timed, and the sense of humor that is put in it.

I sure Am amusing sometimes.
 

Who Am I

In Datre 191, among many other transcripts where sleep is mentioned, Datre talks about what is sleep:

..."JOHN; Then she asks; "When we have managed to establish heaven on earth or whatever you would call our current evolution process, will there be the concept of sub- or superconsciousness?"

DATRE; Well, number one, you won't have heaven on earth, because you've got a dichotomy going right there. You have a conception of what hell is like, you have a conception of what heaven is like, you have a conception of what physicality is like, and they're all three different. Then, until you understand what physicality is all about, you will never be able to see physicality as it truly is.

Also, you categorize and split everything. You've got consciousness, unconsciousness, superconsciousness, subconsciousness. There again, the only thing that you missed on that, as long as you're putting everything in categories, the one biggest one that you have, and you don't know anything about, and that's 'sleep'. Because in sleep there is 'knowingness' and there is not a division. Continue."...

( http://datretranscripts.blogspot.com/2009/07/datre191.html )


In a conversation, or rather a question-answer session, with Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharsi, in a small book called 'Who Am I', Ramana also talks a little about sleep:


..."What is called ‘mind’ is a wondrous power residing in the Self. It causes all thoughts to arise. Apart from thoughts, there is no such thing as mind. Therefore, thought is the nature of mind. Apart from thoughts, there is no independent entity called the world. In deep sleep there are no thoughts, and there is no world. In the states of waking and dream, there are thoughts, and there is a world also. Just as the spider emits the thread (of the web) out of itself and again withdraws it into itself, likewise the mind projects the world out of itself and again resolves it into itself. When the mind comes out of the Self, the world appears. Therefore, when the world appears (to be real), the Self does not appear; and when the Self appears (shines) the world does not appear."...



Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharsi was a guru, or teacher, to Robert Adams:

Have a nice day!

So, every now and then I look into what chinese Datre translator Qingqing have translated.
She doesn't follow the archives chronologically and she outlines parts of the transcripts that I assume she finds important and/or well put, or extraordinary.

I find that interesting, because it gives me a different angle to the Datre material, things that I may have thought insignificant, but looking at it from a different angle it becomes important or interesting.

This time she translated Datre152 and it has parts that continue explain how to be an observer.
I think this is the main theme of the Datre transcript, like a red thread, - Observing.

So I thought I'd post a couple extracts from Datre 152, and similarly from Datre 177.

Have a nice day  :)

from Datre152:

..."JOHN; The next question goes on to ask... "I know that my body is basically the vehicle I am working with during physicality and that I am not my body. I understand that your comments about being an observer indicate I should have awareness of what I'm doing and why. I am starting to better understand that the lessons of physicality are to be learned here/now not in some other mystical state. However, can you offer suggestions on maintaining a balance between being an OBSERVER yet still allowing myself to learn the full lessons physical experience has to offer?"

DATRE; Sure, you get up in the morning, you go to work, you do your job and you're involved in it, but you also talk to people during the day. Now, what are you learning in talking with people? Are you just jabber jabbering or are you paying attention to what the other person is saying? That is one of the things we notice in physicality. Everyone is interested in talking and telling. But, not too many people are interested in 'listening'.

People will say things to you and they are of no consequence to you. Like you go in a store and they will say, when you've paid your bill, 'have a good day'. They have been programmed to say nice things to people, so 'have a good day'. They don't care whether you're going to have a good day or not. Its just something they're supposed to say.

Now, be an OBSERVER, it doesn't take any big effort. When someone looks at you and smiles when you've paid your bill, and they say, 'have a good day'. That is a person that means it. Then you smile in return, and say, 'and you have a nice day too even if you have to work'. You see, its so easy to be an OBSERVER. I have seen people say that to people that have paid their bill, they look at them and they smile and they say, 'now you have a nice day' and they mean it. And the people will pick up their bag and walk off. Now, is that any way to react?

Being an OBSERVER is not just standing and watching the world go by - its participating. Its 'action' - that's what you want. You want activity. Not scurrying around the place. You want positive action in everything you do - regardless of what it is, it does not matter. So maybe that will help you. But pay attention to other people. There are other people that know nothing about Datre - it doesn't matter, they're kind people. When they say, 'and you have a nice day' and mean it, then acknowledge it. Continue."...

The full transcript here:   http://datretranscripts.blogspot.com/2009/07/datre152.html


 
 and from Datre 177:


..."Women and men with children - you don't have to talk to children all the time. You'll find that a contented child is a quite child. Its not a rambunctious child, its a child that's interested in everything - but is not constantly chattering. They learn the chatter from you. Its the only way a child learns, is by following what you keep doing all the time. And if you're constantly chattering, what does the child do? They think that's the way of life. Then you'll buy him or her a little toy telephone and they'll talk, talk, talk - because that's what mother and dad do. You see what you're teaching them? A child will follow your actions and very often will not listen to a word you say. So when you stop and look at what your actions are, it makes a difference.

Try that. See how many things you thought were important to say, and how many things you could have done without saying, and were saying just to be talking. You see, you don't always have to say things. A smile suffices. When someone says, 'have a nice day' - they're so used to saying it now that it doesn't mean anything - but if a clerk says, 'have a nice day', smile and say, 'thank you'. You don't have to go into a great big long rhetoric.

This is interesting. You planet has become a planet of 'chatterers'. And the thing is, when you're chattering, you want to be 'seen' or you want to be 'heard'. This is the only way you can find your validity. The 'squeaky wheel get the grease' - 'so I must make myself a squeaky wheel so that someone will notice me'. Someone notices a 'quite' person. And you will be surprised, because people will walk by and say, 'I didn't know you were there, I haven't heard you say a word'. What's there to say?"...

 The full transcript here:  http://datretranscripts.blogspot.com/2009/07/datre177.html